According to former Attorney General Eric Holder, former President Donald Trump and senior White House officials would "probably" be charged with crimes as part of a Justice Department investigation into efforts to change the national results of the 2020 election.
Holder opined that, prior to that, it is more likely that Trump will first be subject to potential criminal charges from the Georgia state prosecutor who is looking into attempts by Trump and his associates to void President Joe Biden's victory there in 2020.
Those forecasts were made by Holder, who oversaw the Justice Department under the Obama administration, in an interview with Joe Madison The Black Eagle on the SiriusXM Urban View satellite radio program.
If Holder were still the attorney general, Madison questioned if he would try to indict Trump.
Holder objected, claiming that he didn't have access to all of the information the Justice Department currently possessed about Trump.
However, he warned Madison that as "more evidence is elicited, you will see people try to negotiate deals," based on his experience as a federal prosecutor who brought charges of public corruption against elected leaders.
By the end of this process, Holder predicts that high-level White House officials will be indicted, as well as individuals from outside the White House who advised them on the attempt to rig the election.
And ultimately, he added, "I think you'll probably see the president, past president of the United States charged as well.
According to reports, the Justice Department is in front of two federal grand juries in Washington, D.C., one of which is looking at a scheme by Trump's attorneys and others to have so-called phony electors declare that the then-Republican incumbent won the election in their respective states.
The other grand jury is investigating events leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot, when a mob of Trump supporters interrupted for hours the confirmation of Biden’s Electoral College win by Congress.
Pat Cipollone, who served as Trump’s White House counsel, has been subpoenaed to appear before one of those grand juries, multiple news outlets reported Wednesday.
For weeks after the November 2020 popular election, Trump falsely claimed that he defeated Biden and argued his Democratic opponent’s Electoral College victory was based on widespread ballot fraud in several swing states.
Holder said, however, that he anticipated the Justice Department to "go black" and delay taking any public action in the issue until after this November's midterm elections.
In accordance with a long-standing tradition, the department refrains from filing charges or making statements that could affect the outcome of elections in the months before elections.
Holder remarked, "You watch the Justice Department in 2023."
But before that, he continued, "I guess I expect something coming from the prosecutor in Atlanta.
A special grand jury appointed to look into potential criminal intervention in her state's election by Trump and his proxies is hearing testimony from that Georgia prosecutor, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis.
Numerous fictitious Trump electors have received subpoenas from that grand jury, along with the former president's attorneys and U.S. R-S.C. senator Lindsey Graham
According to Holder, "I think in terms of time, that is the most advanced" investigation.
He noted that Trump is believed to have called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on January 2, 2021, pressuring Raffensperger to help find enough votes to overcome Biden's margin of victory there, saying that "the situation is in some respects less complicated."
Holder remarked, "You have the former president on audio telling you to "Find me 11,780 votes."
People now debate, 'What was his intention?'
Holder responded in response to concerns about whether Trump's query had criminal intent.
“Really? Holder joked ironically. "Show that to the jurors... Regular people will likely reach what I consider to be the right conclusion after considering the data, in my opinion.
I will thus focus on Fulton County first. In 2023, take a look at the Justice Department, Holder urged.